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		<title>By: Jeanine</title>
		<link>http://www.sweethotjustice.com/2009/09/08/harassed-at-oci/comment-page-1/#comment-7171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeanine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May a lowly former legal sec who has both temped and worked perm at many top tier firms be allowed some comments here?  First, in my family (step-father, now deceased, and 2nd cousin) were/are top Harvard Law grads.  Step-father was a malignant narcissist and the cousin mildly narcissistic personality disordered - so don&#039;t be easily impressed with big firms and their partners as appearances are deceiving and mean ZILCH. 

Too, don&#039;t ever forget that birds of a feather, fly together, so yes, if your interviewer was an asshole that&#039;s the culture of the firm with the few exceptions of partners who are there solely for the pay and ignore the antics of their colleagues.  For example, a huge top tier Atlanta firm where I worked &quot;excused(?)&quot; a Sr. partner who downloaded kiddie porn to a printer shared by 6 people no less than THREE times before they finally sacked him.  Considering this type of individual has to be separated from the general prison population for fear of murder by fellow inmates while incarcerated says a lot about that firm and it&#039;s partners who would turn a blind eye to that type of behavior, doesn&#039;t it?  A firm&#039;s hiring committee which (it is hoped) is comprised of partners collectively having any morals at all would never dream of sending an idiot to conduct interviews.  There is only one chance to make a good first impression, and that includes the firm too -- not only you, so trust your instincts.  I once asked a hugely successful recruiter the secret of his success.  &quot;It&#039;s simple,&quot; he said, &quot;just figure out the personality type of person(s) responsible for hiring and send him/her/them a clone.  People want to work with other people LIKE THEMSELVES.&quot;  Take heed his advice.

I hate to burst the bubble of the too many male attorneys who believe legal sec&#039;s are working not only for their cheque but also in the hope(?) to service their sexual needs as we secs KNOW your wives married you ONLY for your paycheck as that&#039;s ALL you have to offer another human being, isn&#039;t it?  Seriously, it&#039;s not as if you are a nice man or anything remotely truly desirable.  GIven your long hours at the office it&#039;s common knowledge amongst us that your wife lucks out insofar she has to spend far fewer waking hours with you than does your secretary and has oodles of &quot;free&quot; time to spend your $$$&#039;s, raise your children and sleep with the instructor of whatever her athletic endeavor.  Interestingly, every legal sec I&#039;ve ever met who slept with her asshole boss was as either as NPD or psycho as he, with NO exceptions.

I always felt sorry for the young, new associates to the big firms who arrived bringing idealistic ideas about law and lawyers knowing that within three months they&#039;d be overworked and on the road to becoming jaded about their chosen profession - especially once they heard the office gossip.  But don&#039;t despair as smaller firms are usually comprised of former partners from those top tier firms you now covet who left their former employ because they ARE decent people who wanted HAPPY LIVES and have successfully made their own way.   They may not pay as much, and you won&#039;t brag as loudly to your classmates, but you won&#039;t regret your choice to practice law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May a lowly former legal sec who has both temped and worked perm at many top tier firms be allowed some comments here?  First, in my family (step-father, now deceased, and 2nd cousin) were/are top Harvard Law grads.  Step-father was a malignant narcissist and the cousin mildly narcissistic personality disordered &#8211; so don&#8217;t be easily impressed with big firms and their partners as appearances are deceiving and mean ZILCH. </p>
<p>Too, don&#8217;t ever forget that birds of a feather, fly together, so yes, if your interviewer was an asshole that&#8217;s the culture of the firm with the few exceptions of partners who are there solely for the pay and ignore the antics of their colleagues.  For example, a huge top tier Atlanta firm where I worked &#8220;excused(?)&#8221; a Sr. partner who downloaded kiddie porn to a printer shared by 6 people no less than THREE times before they finally sacked him.  Considering this type of individual has to be separated from the general prison population for fear of murder by fellow inmates while incarcerated says a lot about that firm and it&#8217;s partners who would turn a blind eye to that type of behavior, doesn&#8217;t it?  A firm&#8217;s hiring committee which (it is hoped) is comprised of partners collectively having any morals at all would never dream of sending an idiot to conduct interviews.  There is only one chance to make a good first impression, and that includes the firm too &#8212; not only you, so trust your instincts.  I once asked a hugely successful recruiter the secret of his success.  &#8220;It&#8217;s simple,&#8221; he said, &#8220;just figure out the personality type of person(s) responsible for hiring and send him/her/them a clone.  People want to work with other people LIKE THEMSELVES.&#8221;  Take heed his advice.</p>
<p>I hate to burst the bubble of the too many male attorneys who believe legal sec&#8217;s are working not only for their cheque but also in the hope(?) to service their sexual needs as we secs KNOW your wives married you ONLY for your paycheck as that&#8217;s ALL you have to offer another human being, isn&#8217;t it?  Seriously, it&#8217;s not as if you are a nice man or anything remotely truly desirable.  GIven your long hours at the office it&#8217;s common knowledge amongst us that your wife lucks out insofar she has to spend far fewer waking hours with you than does your secretary and has oodles of &#8220;free&#8221; time to spend your $$$&#8217;s, raise your children and sleep with the instructor of whatever her athletic endeavor.  Interestingly, every legal sec I&#8217;ve ever met who slept with her asshole boss was as either as NPD or psycho as he, with NO exceptions.</p>
<p>I always felt sorry for the young, new associates to the big firms who arrived bringing idealistic ideas about law and lawyers knowing that within three months they&#8217;d be overworked and on the road to becoming jaded about their chosen profession &#8211; especially once they heard the office gossip.  But don&#8217;t despair as smaller firms are usually comprised of former partners from those top tier firms you now covet who left their former employ because they ARE decent people who wanted HAPPY LIVES and have successfully made their own way.   They may not pay as much, and you won&#8217;t brag as loudly to your classmates, but you won&#8217;t regret your choice to practice law.</p>
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		<title>By: Guana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guano is my husband and he should NOT be frequenting this website in search of a female.  I am already married to him.  He is not eligible for another wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guano is my husband and he should NOT be frequenting this website in search of a female.  I am already married to him.  He is not eligible for another wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Al?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Al DeRogis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al DeRogis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JZ, why were you even going to the interview dressed with your boobs hanging out?  Trust me, no one wants to look at  a law student&#039;s boobs.  There are plenty of good looking babes in the hotel bar  whose boobs ARE worth slobberting over, so there was no need for the guy to stare at yours, especially since you were likely doing anything to attract attention to them. I suggest you didn&#039;t get a call back because you exposed too much of yourself at the interview.     Sorry honey, this is not 2006 anymore;  you have to have it upstairs in the head, not in the chest to get a job these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JZ, why were you even going to the interview dressed with your boobs hanging out?  Trust me, no one wants to look at  a law student&#8217;s boobs.  There are plenty of good looking babes in the hotel bar  whose boobs ARE worth slobberting over, so there was no need for the guy to stare at yours, especially since you were likely doing anything to attract attention to them. I suggest you didn&#8217;t get a call back because you exposed too much of yourself at the interview.     Sorry honey, this is not 2006 anymore;  you have to have it upstairs in the head, not in the chest to get a job these days.</p>
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		<title>By: sls67</title>
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		<dc:creator>sls67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can anybody &quot;dream&quot; of a job in BigLaw fresh out of law school unless it is to make a lateral into .... something with a future?

Does this woman not pay any attention to what BigLaw really is - a machine that has evolved to bill clients enormous sums of money for what is seldom - strike that, never - better than they could get for less elsewhere, and all too often simply mediocre work by committee?

And if her goal is to make the best possible lateral, why not go for that job NOW (unless there are student loans, of course - but she didn&#039;t mention them as a consideration)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anybody &#8220;dream&#8221; of a job in BigLaw fresh out of law school unless it is to make a lateral into &#8230;. something with a future?</p>
<p>Does this woman not pay any attention to what BigLaw really is &#8211; a machine that has evolved to bill clients enormous sums of money for what is seldom &#8211; strike that, never &#8211; better than they could get for less elsewhere, and all too often simply mediocre work by committee?</p>
<p>And if her goal is to make the best possible lateral, why not go for that job NOW (unless there are student loans, of course &#8211; but she didn&#8217;t mention them as a consideration)</p>
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		<title>By: Jz.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my 1L OCI, a partner from White &amp; Case decided to conduct the interview on the &quot;terrace&quot; of the terrible hotel room that was set up as an interview room, and then purposely positioned me in the blaring 100 degree sun so that I was squinting the entire time, and then proceeded to look down my chest the entire interview.  I didn&#039;t even get a call back, so consider yourself lucky, I guess ; -)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my 1L OCI, a partner from White &amp; Case decided to conduct the interview on the &#8220;terrace&#8221; of the terrible hotel room that was set up as an interview room, and then purposely positioned me in the blaring 100 degree sun so that I was squinting the entire time, and then proceeded to look down my chest the entire interview.  I didn&#8217;t even get a call back, so consider yourself lucky, I guess ; -)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what firm was this?  was it paul hastings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what firm was this?  was it paul hastings?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh El, lighten up.  He may be a jerk, but so are about 95% of the lawyers out there.  She&#039;s gotta learn sometime what the profession is like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh El, lighten up.  He may be a jerk, but so are about 95% of the lawyers out there.  She&#8217;s gotta learn sometime what the profession is like.</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<dc:creator>El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely inappropriate.  The interviewer I mean, not you. Your school should, if they have not already done so, contact the firm and report this behavior.  As much as firms may feel they have the upper hand in the current market in terms of hiring associates, once the markets turn around and firms are clamoring to hire &quot;the best of the best&quot; from law schools again, stories like this can poison a firm for years.  Don&#039;t feel that you need to shut up and take this behavior, its not the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely inappropriate.  The interviewer I mean, not you. Your school should, if they have not already done so, contact the firm and report this behavior.  As much as firms may feel they have the upper hand in the current market in terms of hiring associates, once the markets turn around and firms are clamoring to hire &#8220;the best of the best&#8221; from law schools again, stories like this can poison a firm for years.  Don&#8217;t feel that you need to shut up and take this behavior, its not the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dugan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to do OCI&#039;s.  It was a way to meet the best female law students a school had to offer, which usually is not much.  

So of course a young lawyer, hoping against hope to find some top shelf beef, and then winds up landing with a morass of fat and grizzle, is going to be disappointed, and even surly particularly if he is giving up a full day and potential billables, to meet a bunch of overstuffed porkers who may think they are hot, but are zero&#039;s in the real world, where there are legal secretaries  who are more than willing to  put out after a beer or two, and then keep their traps shut at work the next day.  

My advice:  Don&#039;t sweat it.  If you get a job at the firm, chances are the guy won&#039;t even remember you from the next porkball that walks down the hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to do OCI&#8217;s.  It was a way to meet the best female law students a school had to offer, which usually is not much.  </p>
<p>So of course a young lawyer, hoping against hope to find some top shelf beef, and then winds up landing with a morass of fat and grizzle, is going to be disappointed, and even surly particularly if he is giving up a full day and potential billables, to meet a bunch of overstuffed porkers who may think they are hot, but are zero&#8217;s in the real world, where there are legal secretaries  who are more than willing to  put out after a beer or two, and then keep their traps shut at work the next day.  </p>
<p>My advice:  Don&#8217;t sweat it.  If you get a job at the firm, chances are the guy won&#8217;t even remember you from the next porkball that walks down the hall.</p>
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